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Rep. Sarbanes: Some Gun Makers Build Sales Models on Assumption 20% ‘Will Get Sold Illegally’

Rep. John Sarbanes (D-Md.) told Maryland county officials that some gun manufacturers build their sales models “on an assumption that at least 20 percent of the weapons will get sold illegally.”

While addressing the Montgomery County Council on Jan. 29, Sarbanes discussed his support of Vice President Joe Biden’s recent gun control recommendations saying, “I want to note that the resistance to it, the organized resistance to it, doesn’t just come from organizations like the NRA, which gets a lot of attention, but there’s a lot of moneyed interests behind it – the gun manufactures have a pretty strong lobby as well in Washington.”

Sarbanes continued, “There’s some information that suggests that some of these manufacturers build their sales models on an assumption that at least 20 percent of the weapons will get sold illegally. So the industry is even building on the assumption that this is happening out there and there are many reasons this is the time to respond.”



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  1. ConservativeGrl

    February 8, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Emailed this fool asking for his sources and calling his lies purely his “opinion.”…Opinions are like @sses, everyone’s got one. Politicians have problems with differentiating between their opinions and facts.

    • antiliberalcryptonite

      February 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      So do most young people, and ALL liberals.

    • Sharpshooter003

      February 8, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      Is he talking about the government mandated weapons for straw buyers that are destined for Mexico ……. I didn’t know Holder had a 20% cut.

    • Sarg

      February 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm

      Most politicians have 2 @sses one on each end,and there interchangable.

      • mogul264

        February 8, 2013 at 9:27 pm

        One emits noxious fumes, the other just farts!

    • hijinx60

      February 8, 2013 at 8:12 pm

      Political opinions are like @sses, everyone’s got one and they usually stink.

    • DaveP326

      February 8, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      and most of then stink.


      February 9, 2013 at 3:56 am

      Just because one wins ana election doesn’t make you the smartest person in the room on every subject. Politicians for the most part are just good at being a politician, not having much if any experience holding down a real job. Also, most test the tumbn in the air litmus test to see which way the wind is blowing after removing it from other body locations not mentionalble on this facebook page. We are located on facebook also.

  2. kzintius

    February 8, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Oh the web of lies that is spun…

  3. John Spencer

    February 8, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    And he “knows” this how? IMHO, there’s “some information that more than 90% of politicians are idiots”

    • whatitism

      February 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      I’ll believe 99.5%

    • mogul264

      February 8, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      There you go again, giving the other 10% the benefit of doubt!

  4. Warren Neumann

    February 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Don’t waste your time answering a fool like this. He’s beyond all possible help!

  5. whatitism

    February 8, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    obviously the gun lobby wouldn’t pay him off. These c r o o k s are so transparent.

  6. LEL

    February 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    So what? How many packages of cigarettes are sold illegally? Liquor sold illegally? Drugs maybe? The manufacturer sells to legal gun distributors and dealers.

    • Fred Campbell

      February 8, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Tracking of guns (to at least the first end-item user) is fully documented. No gun manufacturer would dare to hand off (serial numbered) weapons illegally. Sarbanes is blowing smoke.

  7. 2War Abn Vet

    February 8, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Sarbanes is a Dem, therefore a natural liar, and a hypocrite.

  8. tea party radical right wing

    February 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    some info that suggests = liberal bullshit

  9. Sgt. York

    February 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    I’m afraid these young Guys/Gals learn in school that a lie to make ones self look good is just another way of self expression and its ok man ok

  10. sudsy

    February 8, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Just another ploy by Anti-gun people to try to stop sales of guns!! A lot of BS1 The same as the story of the drones!- etc. a ploy again to take guns away from the people! Why do not they look at history of guns-world wide and the records of violent crime with guns -gun availability and none gun availability! Our Hitler lover knows this!

  11. Ed Williams

    February 8, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Exactly what part of “…shall not be infringed.” is illegal? Laws restrict (“infringe”) options and behaviors, at least for law abiding citizens, even if not for punks or politicians or bureaucrats. All firearms laws are illegal infringements on our natural God given rights, as well as our Constitutional rights. Oh- ‘scuse me- that was back in America, once upon a time…

  12. The Old Man

    February 8, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Personally, when it comes to making money, I don’t doubt it for a minute that the manufactuers are building sales models on 20% of illegal sales in order to satisfy their stock holders. It keeps the money coming in, but does it really mean that they would sell the guns illegally. I doubt it.
    However, there has always been a market for “Black Marketed Goods”
    These guns probably would not need ID numbers on them either.

  13. Lester Peoples

    February 8, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    This Jerk is a stupid as a former Dumocrap with the same name that disgraced Congress in past years. The longer they come the worse they get! What part of an IQ is he lacking? Making up lies as truth!

  14. Stealth

    February 8, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    This man is a blooming IDIOT!

  15. lostproton

    February 8, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    This ignoramus needs to be sued into bankruptcy for false accusations.

  16. gegg

    February 8, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Must be talking about government programs like fast and furious

  17. Chris

    February 8, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    What kind of drugs do these people take? I wonder if they stay up all night and come up with this stuff? It must be sleep deprivation that causes this. He must be on the drugs the Dem’s circulate to themselves as part of Obama care.

  18. $13614178

    February 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Maryland is a fully communist controlled state now and people like Sarbanes are the communists controlling it .

  19. Jon Chance

    February 8, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    His office number in DC is 202-225-4016. Everyone needs to start calling and POLITELY asking for sources for this comment, and for a list of what specific manufacturer(s) engage in this practice.

  20. zeprin

    February 8, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    The First LAW of the Finacial Universe is ‘MONEY Has NO Consience’.
    It doesn’t care who spends it.
    Or on what.
    It could go for a new car.
    Or a hooker.
    Or buying a Politician. But I repeat myself.
    Manufacturers have no control (or interest) in where, when or how there product is finally sold.
    Does FORD or GM budget for a percentage of their production being stolen? Or used in bank robberies?
    There are few things more knee slappingly hilarious than a liberal pol in high dudgeon over someone elses ethics.

    • Lester

      February 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm

      My Man, How right you are!!!!!! I can not get it through the heads of the Liberals I know, as to how things actually work in the real world. They keep repeating the same tire old BS over and over and then dome dunderhead will believe them.

  21. Chief_Cabioch

    February 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Only a moron would make such a statement, , if what he said were true they wouldnt bother to Serial Number them……the moron

    • $12994363

      February 9, 2013 at 12:23 am

      Why are you giving him the credit of someone THAT intelligent??

  22. Dr. Evil

    February 8, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    I wonder where he got that statistic? Pulled it out of his A$$?

    • $10290762

      February 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm

      He’s a politician..and what do politicians do very well….?…lie!

      • DrDulcamara

        February 9, 2013 at 3:31 pm

        Sort of like FAKE NAVY SEAL Dangerous Donnie donl51? Hey folks read all about Dangerous Donnie’s Nam service as a FAKE NAVY SEAL running drugs up the Mekong…it’s all right here:

        Don’t trust this weasel dick…he’s a covert and self admitted “socialist democrat” lefty troll monkey. Scroll through his comments. He claims that that all conservatives are a$$holes.

        • $10290762

          February 9, 2013 at 3:46 pm

          Nice try..repeat here instead gawd I can see right through you..!..I’m none of the above folks I just don’t agree with this asswipe!!

        • $10290762

          February 9, 2013 at 5:05 pm

          If you represent the conservative then I must say that all are assholes!!

          • DrDulcamara

            February 9, 2013 at 7:42 pm

            Remarkable grasp of the obvious. Learn that in BUD/S? Guilty as charged on both counts. Your point?

            More to the point is the blatant LIE of FAKE NAVY SEAL Dangerous Donnie donl51 and his patented THEFT of STOLEN VALOR of better men than him.

          • $10290762

            February 9, 2013 at 9:42 pm

            I’m, going to say it all one last time.. what I was duped into telling you and sorry I was so stupid! was and is true! ..I stole no SEAL valor..I thought you were truly interested.and on the up and up..not someone geared to harass for his sheer enjoyment..I’m writing this through DISQUS..but soon enough you’ll tire of me and start on another who innocently wonders in to see what things there are all about,.,,a lot of sick people is what I got..I was always one to just live and learn,,that people really aren’t all that bad,,I got a new education conservative sights are for conservatives..self serving know it alls who’ll figure it all out eventually!!The Kochroach brothers will use you until you’re no longer needed and toss you of luck…BUDS Amphib base Coronado Calif…Phila College of Art and Penna Academy of Fine Arts,,…taught UNIV.of PA. and Penna. Academy of Fine arts..until may of 06 when retired by Stage 4 Larygeal Cancer ..followed by Chronic Asthma COPD,..that’s it sport have fun w/ it..

  23. outdamnscum

    February 8, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    If this is true, the representative should cough up his “sources”. Kind of sounds he’s just throwing this out in typical Democrat fashion to see what sticks. Unfortunately, that’s how they snow their followers who now believe this is gospel truth.

    • jamohio

      February 9, 2013 at 8:24 am

      They don’t have sources. Only lies and misinformation!! Commrad Sarbaines is nothing more than a Liar!!

  24. polmutant

    February 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. build what you want for market demands. repeal GCA, NFA, ATF. and for sure there is no justice in the Justice department.

  25. justmyopinion

    February 8, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Guess he went into politics because he isn’t smart enough to get a real job.

  26. jrm

    February 8, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Said with a straight face and nothing to back it up. Typical Liberal argument.

  27. John Paul Jones

    February 8, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    When our government sell them to drug gangs in mexico and this is good? the aXX holes in the so called news meadia won’t report on D.O.J. can you say PROVDA? news people you are the problem and a bunch of low life freeloaders at best!

  28. Emick12

    February 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    I wonder want Political Party Tool Sarbanes is in???

  29. conservative

    February 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    As full of krap as a Christmas goose. This idiot is dangerous.

  30. goku vegeta

    February 8, 2013 at 6:11 pm


  31. edro3111

    February 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    If Dem-Libs can’t justify their position, they just lie. It’s part of their agendas. Besides if their King Barry does it, must be okay for everyone!

  32. wminaz

    February 8, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    “There’s some information that suggests……”
    So we are to work off of that ?
    Look, when the manufacturers sell their legally produced weapons they will not be selling them illegally since they have too much to lose. If the secondary market is 20 % illegal sales then it is an indictment of the ineffectiveness of laws pushed by Mr. Sarbannes and his ilk. So now he presumably wants more laws. 50% of gun deaths are caused by young blacks who represent 4% of the population. Why doesn’t he have the cajones to address this problem and leave the rest of us to utilize our constitutionally protected rights to protect ourselves and our families ?

  33. Gaqinesw Bruce

    February 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Every gun manufacturer is working to the maximum level now as well as ammunition manufacturers and this idiot think that 20% of projected sales will be illegal. That is only to be so if the Department of Justice of ATF decides to sell more guns to the mexican drug cartels. Every gun sold to the American public will be “legal”. there is not reason for it not to be due to the overwhelming demand.

  34. medivac

    February 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    And the libs run for office assuming that they can commit crimes against the people and get away with it because they are above the law !!

  35. Chief47

    February 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Sarbanes is a complete idiot. Also says something about the people in the Congressional district who elected him, mostly Obummerites, I would guess. When are these idiots like Sarbanes going to realize that it is not just the NRA and gun manufacturers who are against gun control, but it is the majority of the citizens of this country.

  36. Mandy

    February 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I think this jerk needs to tell us the source of this information: “There’s some information that suggests that some of these manufacturers
    build their sales models on an assumption that at least 20 percent of
    the weapons will get sold illegally”. Or did he just throw this out for effect!

  37. ride2live

    February 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Maybe it’s time for gun manufacturers to start suing jackasses like this. Isn’t this libel or something?

  38. BS Flagger

    February 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    He is a Democrat. This is just so he can get a headline out there; THE TRUTH is irrelevant.


    February 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    That’s a bunch of crap! Gun manufacturers don’t speculate what will happen to their guns after they are sold! They are not responsible for their guns after they are sold, no more than an automobile manufacturer is responsible for their cars and trucks after they are sold! Do the auto manufacturers believe that 20% of the vehicles they sell will be driven by drunk drivers, or used in other crimes?!…

  40. methodius

    February 8, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    How do you create a sales model on this basis? Once the firearms reaches its point of sale the manufacturer has already received their money from the distributor(which nearly of them use as middle men). Is this guy saying that manufactures make 20% few firearms than they normally would because they know there is going to be shrinkage or merchandise stolen between them and delivery to the distributor? I do not understand what the heck this guy is talking about. I would love a explanation for the nonsense he is spouting.

  41. chet

    February 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I don’t know where the hell he got this information, but I believe he’s full of crap. Another stupid liberal running his mouth and not knowing what he’s talking about.

  42. Mikie

    February 8, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Here is his email address.
    Ask him as I did. “Please tell us where the 20% assumption came from or publicly apologize for lying.”

  43. Terry Adams

    February 8, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    wow what these jerks wont say to try and push their agenda. someone needs to put these idiots in their place. if i had such an imagine i could be rich in hollywood writing movies. lol

  44. rivahmitch

    February 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    “There’s some information that suggests”: Translation: “My Kenyan fascist told me and I know he wouldn’t lie”.

  45. dave

    February 8, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Sarbanes you talk like a man with a paper but. Twenty percent by Holder and operation gun runner.

  46. Phil Bronner

    February 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    “There is some information..” Really? Then let’s see it….I’m really tired of these puke liberals continually spouting “facts and figures” that are NOT facts and figures…..that are made up out of thin air to advance their agenda….
    There should be a law that ANY politician that makes a statement, later found to be false to be fined, progressivly for the first 2 offenses….and then tossed in jail for the next one, as well as be sanctioned and tossed out of office…

  47. Teke

    February 8, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    This is the same fool that brought us all the corporate reporting requirements following Enron

  48. Fred_K

    February 8, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Lets see your proof. I trust the gun manufacturers long before I trust a democrat congressman from Maryland. This idiot only said that to fan the contrived fire and to walk on the dead bodies of the children killed in school shootings. He makes the accusation knowing that the MSM will publish it, and try to make enemies of the gun manufacturers…if a democrat says it, it must be true in the court of public opinion.

  49. Charlie

    February 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Problem is that there are a lot of boys like this one trying to do a mans job. Americans do not want a nanny state. Americans do not want BS artist in our public offices. Americans want our employees in our government to be true tothe oath of office they all took .

  50. Jj

    February 8, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Ya rightttt. Who cares? Lets worry about this debt deficit

  51. Spencer Patton

    February 8, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Forward this to People who can think and let them know how foolish these Individuals really are.

  52. Mike8307

    February 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    This doesn’t even make sense. Gun manufacturers produce guns based upon demand, just like any other product. The only way they would know what pct of guns were being sold “illegally” would be to sell them illegally themselves out the back door of the plant or from trucks on the side of the road.

    This from the author of Sarbanes-Oxley the bill that put 100’s of small companies out of the public finance arena because they couldn’t afford the cost of compliance. 100’s of small companies that otherwise would have been creating jobs.

    He needs to pack up and go.

  53. edd

    February 8, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    another Democrat just throwing out crap with nothing to back it up just like O

  54. DaveP326

    February 8, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Frankly, I don’t believe him. Even if this is true, gun manufacturers are not cops. They don’t sell to individuals. They sell to dealers, who sell the guns retail. All these sales are lawful sales. If someone lies to a dealer and then passes the Brady check, the dealer has done his job. The buyer is the criminal. As usual, Biden is full of what comes out the back end of a horse.

  55. George F

    February 8, 2013 at 11:58 pm


  56. $12994363

    February 9, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Gee, Rep. Sarbanes (D. Md), I’ve got it on good authority that at least 90% of the Democrats in Washington and not a few in Md. are corrupt and on the take, so it would be a good idea to arrest and imprison ALL of them. That way we don’t have to worry about the one’s who aren’t crooks becoming ones.
    No wonder this country is going down that slippery slope! It seems that there’s something in the water or the air there that makes dull, ignorant people become stupider. And the one’s who are near enough to DC, like those in Md., seem to arrive fully dimwitted.

  57. John W.H.

    February 9, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Another democratic liberal left wing nut job, who is so full of crap his eyes have turned brown. Any politician that stands up and lies to the people, should be given life in prison, and hold over for the electric chair. They all make me want to puke !!!!

  58. Jeffery Wood

    February 9, 2013 at 4:20 am

    Where does this moron get his information? If he’s gonna shoot off his mouth, he should be required to name his sources!

  59. Ranchman

    February 9, 2013 at 4:26 am

    They keep accusing the “gun lobby” (the NRA, manufacturers, etc.) on being the ones who are resisting such “sensible” legislation (like Feinstein’s bans and gun confiscation…er… registration). They don’t want the citizens to realize that IT’S US who are actually preventing them from going ahead with their tyrannical plans! We are the ones, through email, faxes, phone calls, etc, who are stopping them in their tracks. It’s all such propaganda it’s sickening. Keep up the good work, Patriots! Your efforts are paying off!

    Remember 1776 & Keep Your Powder Dry!

  60. fliteking

    February 9, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Dam near slander, this is posed in “Liberal Speak” and shows a willingness to lie in a language we all recognize but in such a way that no one will call him on it.

    I am calling him on it,. Buttwipe lying liberal.

  61. whuup

    February 9, 2013 at 7:42 am

    If he thinks the guns are being sold “illegally”, how would a law stop that? Make the sale even more “illegal”? If you outlaw production, does that mean DHS won’t get their 7000 AR15s?

    • $10290762

      February 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      Making guns is huge business! nobody even Obamy is so stupid as to allow an end to Manufacturing any!…i wouldn’t worry too much about it happening!..It’ll never be a law,,but some states on their own can make an independent state law,,that may limit the amount of gun dealers

  62. jamohio

    February 9, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Comrad Sarbaines knows full well gun manufacturers can only make money from the legal transfer of firearms to a citizen having passed a criminal background check!! Only our federal government seems to want criminals and radical muslims to get arms. And those weapons still had to be purchased first, legally!!

  63. DEfromDC

    February 9, 2013 at 8:20 am

    I think it is more likely to assume if Sarbanes is involved in anything there will be 20% graft or hidden actions.

  64. shamu9

    February 9, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Fluke ALL Commie Bass-Tard Democrats. Check it out-Every Commie Nation has the word Democrat or Democratic in its official Name!!

    • $10290762

      February 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      The USA practices Democracy!!..did we forget something?

  65. Poodleguy

    February 9, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    In all the yrs that I have observed Sarbanes in office, I have never heard anything of rational intelligence emanate from this idiot’s pie hole! Maryland & New Jersey are just about tied when it comes to corruption.

  66. Average Joe

    February 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    And her proof is?

  67. Foxmuldar

    February 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Liberal bastards wil tell one lie after another to push their gun grab agenda.

  68. obama needs gone

    February 10, 2013 at 12:35 am

    yea its the ones that obama is sending to kenya to be used for them to take over the U.S.A when obama is finished running the U.S.A in the ground and takes everybodys guns here then they can come over here and kill everybody without any trouble

  69. Fireboatman

    February 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Ask the honorable representative from Maryland to prove it, I believe its the usual farce that the Democrats are so good at. Say it often enough some folks will believe it to be true like in the tooth fairy, Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny.

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