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The Mental Illness Conundrum

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The Mental Illness Conundrum

Most of the advocates for increased gun controls are disregarding the mentally ill in America.

Mental health issues are problems our nation’s jails staff have been contending with for years. In 1971, while assigned as a custody officer at the Navy prison at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, I along with our staff psychiatrist and JAG officer (lawyer) visited the Massachusetts Correctional Institute for the Criminally Insane in Bridgewater, Massachusetts on Titticut Street. Several hundred patient-inmates were confined under appalling conditions there. In the large “smoke room” where smoking was allowed, there were four televisions up on opposite walls where the inmates could sit on long benches to watch. All of the televisions only flickered. Several inmates roamed the room in a trance talking and shouting to themselves and some wore football helmets so they would not injure themselves. The small clinic had bloody bandages on the floor, and a wing holding 80 inmates had to use “honey buckets” for toilets because there was no indoor plumbing. A staff member remarked about the progress being made with one elderly man because he was down to sexually servicing less than 10 inmates a night. Psychotropic drugs were controlling the population; professional staff was at a minimum. We were glad to leave and head north to our well-run prison.



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  • fliteking

    “Most of the advocates for increased gun controls are disregarding the mentally ill in America.”

    The reason for this? The agenda to disarm Americans is all about control, NOT SAFETY.

    • 7papa7

      Most of the mentally ill are in DC starting in the white house and congress.

      • John Detwiler

        That appears to be true. A noted psychitrist says tht leftist thiking is psychotic.And the democrats and the RINO politicians are proving this to be true. Oh I almost forgot to mention the number one politician in Wasington, President Obama.

        • 7papa7

          I just try to say it as it is.

  • $13614178

    If we were to lock up or put away all the mentally ill in this country we would only have one polical party , the TEA PARTY !

  • Benjamin Fox

    The only real menally ill are the nazi’s on the left, they are immoral and it’s their children that murder and mame, so lock up all the demo-rats as they no longer like liberity but want to be masters on the nazi plantations of all colors and races.

  • spyderdalton

    We have mental health issues in our white house and congress! Lets start with them!

    Lets call it what it is… the Sociopathic Party…
    It’s time to get the word out and expose the association of sociopathic personality disorders and liberalism. These symptoms are exactly the description of Obama and nearly all in his administration. What’s even worse is, they recommend if you come in contact with someone with these personality traits, that you call your local police dept. because they are extremely dangerous !


    These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

    First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

    (1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

    (2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

    (3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault.

    (4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

    (5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

    If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!

    (1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.

    Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

    (2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.

    Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.

    (3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the “friends” they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.

    (4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don’t tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

    If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won’t try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.

    Based on this advise, what if that relationship consist between the people and the government? What does a country of 300 million do if it is being controlled by a small group of 535 sociopaths (Congress) which has total control over the freedoms the people have been granted at the birth of the greatest country and born out of the need to escape the very tyranny that is destroying it? Who does one call if the police and even the military become a part of it?
    How about universal background checks and psychiatric evaluations on our politicians? Do not give up your weapons to sociopaths. It did not work well for Germany.

  • Barelyfree

    Mental health disqualification is dangerous. First they use it to disallow, then they widen the definition to include all those who oppose their doctrine.

  • Cooleemee Edd

    As I have said before (If it was on this forum, I don’t recall.), something like “PTSD” is an excuse to disarm veterans. What is “PTSD?” It is a SPECTRUM of things from temporary to permanent, mild to severe, and so on. If you diagnose PTSD in any form as “mental disorder” and permanently disarm someone, that is that for them. What about us older veterans? No “PTSD” diagnosis ever contemplated 20 or 25 years ago when we could have retired or been released from service. What about Vietnam Veterans in general? Shall we consider them all potentially mentally unstable? Get away from Vets for a minute – what about a young person who has ever gone to the school counselor because he or she was depressed? What if they “confessed” to their doctor that they had considered killing themselves? There are so many insideous ways that we can be blackballed from owning firearms that it boggles the mind. Once we go any further with the law than we have already, we will have great difficulty in turning back. Be careful, America!!

  • txlady706

    the mentally ill are in the government now. I’m actually not joking. Most of these people need to be tested for both legal and illegal drugs. Either way, if they are taking ANYTHING for longer than 2 months, they should be removed. I speak from experience. If they are on painkillers, and thats the LEAST of our worries, then their minds are severely altered. These drugs play MAJOR roles in decision making. These politicians should be classified as incapacitated. My mother, g-d be with her, was on pain meds before she passed and they AFFECT decisions. These people are not capable of making decisions. They need to be tested. As for the mentally ill. Although, I believe that their are some who suffer from dementia and other forms of physical mental retardation,most of the others are manufactured. The ones that do become PHYSICALLY violent should only be locked away in extreme cases and only AFTER being convicted of a criminal offense. I REMEMBER people being locked away. They were sane, prior to being sent to the sanatoriums. Believe me, it’s better not to have them. Lest we forget the cruelty and unlawful treatment that people suffered. Not to mention, those who were FRAMED and sent AWAY.

    • PAJ

      I strongly disagree with you about ALL who are on pain medications for long-term/Chronic severe pain. I do pray the Lord be with your mother.
      My father WAS mentally ill, and I was abused and assaulted by a distant relative, and am myself a retired (disability) RN. I worked with people with both “intellectual disabilities” (formerly known as mental retardation) and dual diagnosis (both ID and a severe mental illness requiring hospitalization).
      We do need to evaluate those with known mental illnesses to make sure they are safe to be allowed to posess and operate firearms. Just because a VA labels someone as “Fiduciarilly incompetent” does not mean they cannot make correct decisions of when to shoot, or even carry a firearm. All it means is they are not competent to make FINANCIAL decisions. We have a LOT of people in this nation who meet that criteria but are not labeled or adjudicated because they were never in the military!
      As for people with severe chronic pain, certain narcoic pain medications are needed for them to concentrate enough to make decisons. Unfortunately many in our military and in health care are in that category because of their service to this nation and to patients in their care. But I trust them much more than I do the poser and his buddies, who want to repeal the 2nd ammendment.
      I am opposed to requiring a mental health exam (done in Australia and Japan) before you can own a firearm. If you have committed a crime or other action that caused you to be held, then that would be appropriate. As has been said over and over on this site and others – the only thing the majority of liberals, and socialists, want in “Gun Control” is the CONTROL. The very reason the 2nd ammendment was authored and APPROVED was to prevent governmental abuses. Our founding fathers gave everything to win our freedom, and we may be required to do the same in our lifetime.

  • MontieR

    The only conundrum is when they closed all the mental hospitals and forced the residents basically into the street far to many of them went into politics.

  • beto

    The mentally ill yesterday, are the gays of today!

  • hunter60thomas

    Well I have herd that the all mighty OBOMA is having the VA send out letters to Veterans all over the USA tell the AMERICAN Veterans that has served this country in it military with honorable service that they must turn in their weapons because that are not good enough to have their weapons an they are a danger to the country, but I think it is more like we are a danger to the want to be dictator & his NATZIE ISTICK buddies.

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