BREAKING Colorado Approves “High Cap” Mag Ban Bill

polmutant

shame on Colorado and it’s constituants. may they suffer for their irresponsible behavior.

ebowers3

The entire country is suffering because of the non-thinking illiterates that voted for Obama. Elections have consequences. American violence is brought about by Liberals who have no morality and are in the process of destorying the core values that made this country great.
- polmutant
  
  welcome to USSA. land of depraved home of the enslaved.
  - fearlesskris
    
    Very depraved – not one care here about the slaughter of innocents by gun death. And judging by the people who post here? They are most certainly enslaved to the gun industry who are raping the country to the tune of an obscene amount of money…you folks are so deep in the pockets of the manufacturers and NRA you can’t even see daylight any longer. But don’t be afraid – the majority of the country hasn’t forgotten about you and we are coming to your rescue. Quit being so frightened and paranoid.
- John The Baptist
  
  Its time to clean house,people.

http://www.facebook.com/SSGRichDAV Edward Richardson

Hey…MAGPUL….Plenty of unemployed skilled workers up here in Maine!!!!

OldDocBen

Yeah, but not exactly a gun friendly state. Sorry, Maine but there are too many American states that offer more freedom; and tax breaks to boot!

foxxybey

Colorado has been taken over by the nazi left, so no shock there and of course another gun free zone for those who have concealled carry? They now become the targets of the evil people who steal guns and kill people, moving to Texas, after 70 years this state now sucks.

James Maxwell

As anyone who is from Colorado, their state has been invaded by such loones as John Denver
and other Caliphone liberals wackos.
- foxxybey
  
  This poor state hasn’t had a good representative in state or national, a bunch of left wing nut jobs who are destroying Colorado. They want controlled burns and each year they have a wild fire that have caused homes to be lost and in some cases life, instead of selling a lic for people to cut down these beedle infested tree’s for fire wood, creating jobs and more tax payers, that makes to much sense so they would rather spend money to get their way and spend our money and cause whole scale fires in our state. A sad, nazi government in and out of state.
  - John The Baptist
    
    foxxybey, if and only if ,the most of the coloradoians want to have carry, then carry. And if the officials won’t give you an OK to cut down the infested trees then cut them down and send them to them,c.o.d.
    - foxxybey
      
      John The Baptist, like your name, well choosen. I will carry and don’t care about any unlawful law they pass. Your tree thing is a good idea also but, I’ll just let the burn every down and laugh about how stupid they are, they probably wouldn’t pay the cod but would raise taxes to pay for it all. LOL, God Bless Friend:

Watchdogman

Magpul Idaho is gun mfg/accessories friendly with proper laws in place. So come here and find a warm welcome. the hunting and fishing and sight-seeing are simply great

Doc

Hey Magpul! Come on down to Texas. Where you will be appreciated and welcome.

gas pump junkie

Colorado going the way of California………..run by liberals and running off businesses and the jobs with them………..out of state hunters will boycot in favor of other western states

mrsgunnut10

I would never have thought that A Gun Packing State like Colorado would go under and kiss Obamass’s Butt or even let O’Biden get an Anti-Gun word in between rounds. Sorry Colorado populace, I thought you were smarter than this.

fearlesskris

Perhaps they were – until their children were slaughtered when some guy walking into a family movie opened fire. You really mean to tell me that this bill – which prohibits concealed carry on A COLLEGE CAMPUS – will bring your world crashing to a halt? Did you even read the bill? Or just the headline? I don’t know about you Mrs., but I for one am tired of seeing our children massacred. You are entitled to your own opinion on that one, but it’s you and your kind who are doing the slaughtering – white gun owners and their kids. None of them is a criminal – at least not until they step up and pull the trigger. And then it’s too late. Tell it to the Aurora families – tell it to the parents in Newton. I dare you.
- mtmountainman
  
  You want to stop the slaughter–then stop Liberals. The Liberal agenda pushes no ethics, no morality, no integrity, no personal responsibility for anything. These things are at the root of the problem. You also need to know that all the recent shooters – going clear back to Columbine were Liberals, registered Democrats or from Democratic families. Point made.
- DWeb
  
  And you really believe this sort of legislation will stop the lunatics from killing helpless people. Not for a nano-second. This kind of crap will only make massacres more often with higher body counts. By the way, idiot. Look into deaths by people using guns. Notice that most gun deaths are gang related and by blacks–typically on blacks. Chicago, Atlanta, Durham NC, LA, NY, you name the city, you the brain God gave you and do the research so you don’t make a fool of yourself again. This bill is the exact opposite if what should happen. Guns should be allowed everywhere that law abiding people can be. Virginia began allowing guns where alcohol is served over two years ago. Anti gun righters said there would be more shootings in bars and where alcohol is served, but low and behold, bar/restaurant/alcohol related shooting went DOWN. Go figure. Give law abiding responsible gun owners the right to carry and crime goes down. No frontier, OK Corral type shootouts.
  
  The only ones massacring people are NUTS. Crazy people. Mostly liberals too. You want to stop that…be locked and loaded yourself.
  - Chained
    
    Yeah the massacres from Columbine on up all have been perpetrated by people brought up in a liberal democrap home and most of those have had a mental disease being treated with some kind of psychotropic drug with side effects causing severe depression and rage. Children are being put in front of a TV or violent video game to be babysat and get ADD then when they can’t cope with everyday life at school are given Ritalin, Zanax, Praxil or some other mind numbing drug and wham a violent psychopath is born.
  - gail2012
    
    Well said. Give a gun to all law abiding citizens and the will be no more crime. Switzerland everyone carries a gun. It’s the law. They have no crime NONE! If Columbine or Sandyhook if the teachers were armed this would not have happened.The teachers should wear shoulder holsters. We trust teachers with our children 8 hrs a day 5 days a week. We can! T trust them armed.
- James Maxwell
  
  This has to be a mindless troll from someother place than colorado. Guns don’t kill
  people, only criminal and the deranged do that or commit such a criminal act. If
  peope had been armed at the theater there would not have been nearely as many
  shot. Someone would have taken out the miscreant quickly and effective saving lives.
  But you cannot expect some coward who is afraid of their own shadow to comprehend
  this fact. If teachers had been armed in Newton or in the theater in Auroro, or at Ft
  Sam or many other place there would have been less criminal activity. When
  criminals or crazies attack they pick the most defensless rather than put themselves
  in harms way. When they are confronted by an armed response or know they
  will meet armed resistance they find a more friendly enviroment to commit their
  crimes.
- steve
  
  SORRY TO BE THE ONE TO TELL YOU FEARLESS BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THEIR PARENTS ARE ALL DEMOCRATS(PROGRESSIVES)AND THE PARENTS ARE THE ONES WHO OWNED THE GUNS THAT WHERE NOT SECURED AWAY FROM KNOWN MENTALLY ILL CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES THAT STOLE THE WEAPONS BECAUSE INCOMPETENT PARENTS LEFT THEM AVAILABLE TO THOSEMENTALLY ILL CHILDREN WHO COMMITTED THESE HAINESS CRIMES BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS DIDNT LOVE THEM ENOUGH TO BUY GUN SAFES LIKE CONSERVATIVE PARENTS DO AND KEEP THEIR GUNS LOCKED UP SO MENTALLY ILL PROGRESSIVES CAN NOT GET THEM AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE!DEMOCRTAS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY MURDER INCLUIDING DORNER IN LA GUESS WHAT BAN DEMOCRATS FROM OWNING GUNS AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MORE KILLINGS!
  - fearlesskris
    
    Wow, turn it DOWN steve! I am enjoying the paranoid conspiracy theory rants going on here, glad to give you all something to get excited about. Have a feeling thoughtful people don’t wander in here very often. Democrats and progressives, well, we won’t apologize for kicking your butts in the elections. You have been played and lied to by the NRA and the gun manufacturers. It is all about your money – nothing else. There’s no government plot, there is no reason to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of weaponry for your own personal arsenal. You are just filling the pockets of the already obscenely wealthy and panting at their side like lap dogs. And you know one fact – everyone knows this: In homes with guns the likelihood that you will die by your own gun, either suicide or homicide, is significantly greater than in non gun homes. 680 “accidental” gun deaths per year (over half under the age of 25). 46 gun suicides per day – PER DAY. 33 per day were killed in a gun homicide – and it breaks down into these age groups: of the 33, one is a child under 14, 5 were teenagers (15 – 19 y.o.), 7 were young adults (20-24). This in households with guns, either locked in safes or not. It’s so bad that it is considered a health risk in children and the American Pediatric Society recommends REMOVING guns – not locking them up – removing them from the household. If you care about lives, if you care about the youth in our country, you’ll take a strong stand against gun ownership in private households. But you don’t care.
    - Berzrkr50
      
      Now share with us the number of alcohol and/or automobile related deaths. If you look at those numbers your jaw will drop. So what should we do? Outlaw cars/alcohol? Your argument doesn’t hold water…
    - fearlesskris
      
      Oh my, we’re back to the “cars” or “phones” or “alcohol” related deaths. Cars are purposed with transportation – people and things from one place to another. No, we should not outlaw cars. There’s a reason we call them accidents. It is illegal to drink and drive and there are strict legal remedies for those who do so. As a matter of fact, as time goes on, we make those laws stricter, often in the face of opposition. This is a non-argument because they are not equal – not even near equal – in their purpose. Guns and ammo have one purpose. That is to kill. They have no other use, that is what they are made for and why they exist – to kill. Do we need to go further? Knives are purposed with butchering meat, chopping up a nice meal, spreading butter. No we shouldn’t ban knives. Baseball bats are purposed with hitting a ball and making a sound that people look forward to every spring. No, we should not ban baseball bats. Guns kill. We should restrict access to those who’s job it is to protect us – police (state, local), military (air force, marines, navy, army, special forces, coast guard, national guard), Secret Service, FBI, CIA, trained security for public places…that’s quite a long and diverse list of people and unlike many of you, I don’t believe they are all in “cahoots” with each other to harm you in some way. See a doctor, quit being so afraid and paranoid. There’s help for this.
    - John The Baptist
      
      Hay, fearlesskris. It sounds like you are one of those commies, are you? If you would like to know what I think ( DON’T SAY ANYTHING) I’m goimg to tell u anyways. If you were to heart any of my family, Iwould hunt you down, string you up and peel the hid off of you and let you hang there for the animals to feast on.
    - fearlesskris
      
      Hahaha, John “the Baptist” (yes, definitely, reference Christianity with this post in particular – but know this: God loves those who can spell for themselves), well you can whack off to whatever dream you like but truth is you are a coward and a troll. I “heart” most families…love them. Love them and care about them. So when a whole bunch of them get hurt by guys with legal guns who massacre adults and children alike, well, I’d love to own a flamethrower and get rid of all the guns! However, since I don’t get to have my way above and beyond the rights of others, I don’t get to have my very own flamethrower. Maybe someday I’ll get to have my own, if the frightened, paranoid, puppets of the gun manufacturers have their way with you. And they are. Having their way with you. They bent you right over and told you to drop trouser – and you did it without even a word of protest. And sure, I’ll be a commie or whatever – for talking about the real purpose of cars? Sure, why not, it’s as good as any other reason. At least I’m not bent over getting boo-fooed by gun manufacturers….and their version of the reach around is to dig around deep in your pockets while they got ya bent.
    - Keenan Lee
      
      Aren’t your statistics one-sided? Where are the stats on the murders with other devices such as knives, baseball bats, screwdrivers, ropes, and other objects? Where are the stats on how many people die in automobile accidents, DUI’s, suicides by automobile, suicides or OD from drugs? A gun is a tool. If someone wants to commit suicide they will get it done by any means whether it be gun, vehicle, drugs, building jump, or electrocution. My point is that don’t eliminate a tool that is helpful to others because some people misuse it. If that were the case, automobiles would be the first to go. Count how many people die in auto tragedies per year. Doesn’t matter the reason. The numbers outweigh gun tragedies by a far margin. Do the math. I’d like to see another post by you when you get them.
    - fearlesskris
      
      This isn’t a discussion about playing baseball or chopping food; carpentry or knot tying – it’s a discussion about guns. All those other objects have a legitimate purpose in our lives. I don’t understand why people talk about baseball bats when 1) I can possibly (not likely but possibly) outrun someone with a baseball bat; 2) being hit with a baseball bat does not automatically mean death the way being shot in the head or chest does; and 3) I have always enjoyed playing baseball and baseball bats have the purpose of hitting a ball for our fun and exercise. Guns have no other purpose but to kill. And there is no “side” to the statistic that having a gun in your household significantly increases the likelihood of your own death by gunshot – suicide, accident, or homicide. Sadly, it is what it is.
- Chained
  
  You’re an unbelievably ignorant libtard. Kids aren’t getting massacred by high capacity magazines. It’s people with mental disease doing the killing and no amount of legislation will stop that. Guns don’t kill, people do. Adding more asinine gun laws only hinder law abiding citizens ability to protect themselves while allowing criminals to freely run amok and do as they have always done, disobey laws. Quit listening to the effin biased and controlled lying media. They have no clue and are part of the problem.
  - gail2012
    
    Yes people kill people not mindless guns. Also, I do believe that These mass shooters are liberals from lib wacko parents.
  - NukeWaste
    
    I hope that you noticed that the libtard media all have their own bodyguards. Lets outlaw those.
    - John The Baptist
      
      Hay, are all these bodyguards like supperman– faster than a speeding bullet, able to leap a building with a single bound, stronger than a locomotive? I don’t think so , so all it takes is a single bullet in the right place, in the right time to do it’s dirty work.
- gail2012
  
  First of all the only things that’s going to stop that bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun. Plain and simple. I don’t own a gun but I do realize if a criminal or mentality ill person starts shooting up anything then you need another shooter to stop them. Colorado had the Bateman shooter. Now if you don’t think something odd about the sophiscation of that shooting for schizophrenic nut case. Most schizophrenics are so sick without their medication they can barely Function let alone build a bomb and buy guns on line. i’m just saying! W e hsve kaws already on the books they have To be used.
- gwinf
  
  And you are foolish enough to believe that banning weapons or magazines is going to solve that problem? The devil certainly loves fools, for they do his work for him.
  - gwinf
    
    You want to fix the problem? Ban liberalism. ALL of the perps involved in ALL the attacks you and others like you use to point your fingers at us gun owners were either radical liberal progressives or the children of progressive liberals.
- Joshua Barker
  
  Funny how the anti-gun whack jobs like you demand more of what allows these massacres to happen. Adam Lanza broke over 40 laws in his rampage (several of which prohibited him from owning and touching those guns in the first place) – and you really think punishing the law-abiding folks would’ve stopped it? Even if it were legal for Adam Lanza to own those hunting rifles, all guns were already banned on the school campus yet he clearly paid no mind to that law. Isn’t it ironic that in 200+ years prior to the gun-free school zone act, there were only 7 school gun murders? We’ve had over 70 since the gun-free school zone act was passed — AND YOU SAY WE’RE DOING THE SLAUGHTERING? You’re absolutely off your rocker and completely insane. You aren’t just part of the problem — you ARE the problem.
- dankster
  
  i don’t suppose you’ll ever get around to blaming the criminal who is responsible for the crime but could you tell me why you believe students shouldn’t have the right to defend them selves just because they happen to be on campus?
- NukeWaste
  
  Do you have any idea what you are spewing about? White kids kill many fewer than blacks. I know. Where I live gang related killings aren’t even reported. And that is black- on- black crime. Limiting mag rounds won’t help. You can’t get the guns away from criminals. I carried when I was in college. The 2 fools who complained were told by campus police to hide behind me if somebody starts shooting. “Nuff said!
- tommie3761
  
  fearlesskris, YOU are a complete ASS! Move to a communist country. I’m sure you’ll be pleased to know that only the government in those countries slaughter people with guns. You will fit right in!
  In both of the incidences that you cite, mentally disturbed individuals commited those murders. No concealed handgun license required! Had a teacher been allowed to carry a concealed handgun, perhaps fewer families would be mouning their lost children.
- Majorwrecks
  
  There is only one word for you Fearlesskriss “Hoplophobia” Because I own a firearm or firearms doe’s not make me a criminal I don’t wish to slaughter anyone but I will defend myself and my family. what part of infringe is not understood here? Maybe you should move to Chicago where the gun laws are plenty and do absolutely nothing to save lives.
- reggiec
  
  Instead of banning guns or clips of any size; ban the behavior modifying drugs almost every mass shooter was taking. Even the warning labels state that these drugs can cause breaks from relaity, suicidal thoughts, aggression, fantasies and other adverse reactions. How about a comprehensive report listing the drugs every mass shooter was taking or had recently stopped taking prior to or at the time they started shooting innocent people.
  Of course big pharm would scream bloody murder and lobby to stop any investigation of this kind.
- barbiecakes
  
  I saw a man interviewed who was at the massacre and he said he left his handgun at home because it was a gun free zone. I guess the Obama campaign worker, occupy San Diego attendee James Holmes didn’t get the memo. The problem with gun free zones is that only law-abiding citizens pay attention.
- conservative
  
  “but it’s you and your kind who are doing the slaughtering” I don’t think so! Sorry to inform you but 99% of these mass killing were done by liberals.
  - fearlesskris
    
    Hahaha, you must be living in Colorado and enjoying your new freedom to get Rocky Mountain High (sure, I’m a little jealous truth be told)! Wow, 99 percent, eh? Did you go to the Mitt Romney school of statistics? That really made my morning chuckle though, thanks Conservative!
- gas pump junkie
  
  We need to deal with the people who have mental issues and keep them away from guns and putting them in an institution for the help they needs keeps them away from guns. Most of the rest of gun violence is gang bangers and repeat offenders. Lock’em up and throw away the key when they use a gun. Don’t punish the honest law abiding citizen by taking away his rights. You are still going to have your mentaly disturbed people troubling you while you still try and do away with guns. Poor misguided fools.
  - fearlesskris
    
    I agree with paying attention to and dealing with mental health issues. It’s too bad that the funds needed for quality mental health care and the homes and institutions that provide care had their funding gutted (and let’s see, who gutted funding for health care in the first place?). And there’s a lot of talk about the mentally ill, but who is going to make the determination of danger? We are already required to report clients who are a danger to themselves or to others (i.e. they have made a real threat in a session or phone call). Sometimes it seems you want to have a witch hunt for lonely teen boys who may seem weird to others. Not going to help at all – disenfranchise those who are already suffering from being pushed aside. And all of you are law abiding gun owners – right up until the minute you pull the trigger and start slaughtering. Gang bangers aren’t doing these massacres (not that I support criminal behavior in any fashion), repeat offenders? You mean they didn’t TAKE THE GUN away the first time??? Soldiers and veterans committing suicide, kids gunning down other kids, domestic violence – geez a woman is so much more at risk if there is a gun in the home, athletes shooting themselves and others…and of course there’s the militia doing their little training scenarios for the end of the world or a government takeover. Grown up games with live ammo, yeah, just what we need.
    - John The Baptist
      
      Then what “we the people” needs to do is to gut all the bones that washington get and put it to good use. How about that, sounds great to me.
  - John The Baptist
    
    Hay, gaspump junkie. Don’t you think that that is what they want (the liberals)?
- http://twitter.com/LDommel Linda Dommel
  
  Fearlesskris “TOOL” for the COMMUNIST AGENDA!
- JOHN PAUL JONES
  
  So if this was done by a car and killed 50 or more on the play ground it would be OK or would you ban all the cars?
  - fearlesskris
    
    Oh my god, how many times do we have to talk about cars and their purpose and guns and their purpose? Cars – their purpose is to transport people and things from one place to another. Yes, there are accidents. I have accidents like tripping when I walk – I don’t use a wheelchair to avoid my very occasional walking accidents. I would NOT be okay with the slaughter of 50 or more on a playground – why would you suggest such an incredibly imbecilic idea? Oh yeah… Now, the purpose of a gun – it has one purpose and one purpose only – to kill. The gun serves no other function. And you know what? Not one of you has the right to take another’s life (unless you are on active duty with our military or serve in one of the many different police/security forces). We as a country don’t dole out capital punishment for non-capital crimes, no matter what your wet dream is. Now, do you want to talk about baseball bats and their purpose? Do you want to talk about knives and their purpose? Maybe cell phones… You need to come up with some new and far better arguments for your Yosemite Sam lives people – these are getting old and tired. Well, plus the arguments are nonsensical and stupid.
- dankster
  
  what makes you think a college campus is safer without concealed carry? if you haven’t noticed, schools. with their [no gun] zones have become targets for these wacko’s. taking arms from legal cc is not going to do anything but open the door wider for these lunatics.
conservative

You get what you vote in!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

It is not the whole state. Mostly its Denver who would rather coddle gays than uphold the Constitution.

OldDocBen

Absolutely no one in CO should be surprised. These are the liberal big government politicians THEY put in office. They have no one to blame but their fat, lazy, shiftless and indifferent selves. Indiana is VERY pro-gun (I hold a LIFETIME concealed carry permit!) so come east Magpul; I need a at least 50 more mags myself. I might even come out of retirement to work for them, or Barrett, or Olympic Arms, or LaRue, or Cheaper Than Dirt since they have all refused to sell guns and ammo to states offensive to the Second Amendment.

gail2012

Olddocben I think I love you!!! God Bless those Gun Manufacturors and Distributors. We are in BIG TROUBLE with the dictator communist regime. This not about keeping the streets safe this is about DISARMING AMERICA! OBAMA and his communist lying party doesn’t care about you or your children. He wants to be King/Empera. A Hitler type extreminating conservatives and all those who oppose him. No sir you all need to take up arms and be vigilant.

Jim

If Colorado voters are willing to be led to the proverbial slaughter, they certainly have the right to do so. Problem is, Constitutionally speaking….they DON’T have the option of violating anyone’s rights under the 2nd Ammendment. It would sure be swell if ALL LEGISLATORS had to pass a test on the Constitution and The Bill of Rights in order to be sworn into office, wouldn’t it? Perhaps then we would all have the privelege of seeing the Constitution once again properly observed & obeyed,….EVEN BY THOSE SENT TO CONGRESS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE!!
( ……….DE OPPRESSO LIBER!!!)

the hermit

the libarats is killing off this once great nation and the only way to get it back is to impeach all these rats that is possible starting with the king rat oduma. it will be hard to do with all the mexcans legal and illegal and the white welfare slugs that is bleeding this this country dry.

gail2012

They good people of Colorado who have common sense among these democrat Nazis will take this to court and hopefully these leftwing radicals will be arrested for treason. They have no right to infringe or alter or change the 2nd Amendment. NONE! We are not only protected by the 2nd Amendment but also by The Bill of Rights. So they can hide in the middle of the night and pass whatever bill they want. IT’S NOT LEGAL! Personally the state of Colorado should arrest these leftist communist wackos immediaty.

Black Rain

I can tell you the court will uphold the decision. If they want to make such laws, it’s Co citizens fault for putting such idiots in congress and senate.

fearlesskris

So…this bill bans concealed carry ONLY in college campus buildings. Wow. We can’t take that now can we. Because “packing heat” in schools has always left joy in people’s hearts – oh actually wait. It often ends up with dead children and parents planning funerals. You are seriously telling me that you can’t visit a school campus without a concealed weapon? You are that afraid of and paranoid about the world? That’s possibly the most cowardly thing I’ve ever heard. I’m sad for you posting here, it’s heartbreaking that you are so frightened.

Babcicathy

Read the article…you cited the wrong bill…oh, fearless one.
- http://www.facebook.com/ken.cariker Ken Cariker
  
  You are asking a lib to read, understand, and make an educated decision. Good luck on that one!
Joshua Barker

You’re forgetting one thing – none of the mass murder-suicides were committed by someone who went through the trouble of an FBI background check to get a concealed carry permit. ALL of the mass murder-suicides have been committed by individuals where it was already illegal for them to possess the weapons… oh and both the Aurora and CT shootings were GUN FREE ZONES… worked out well, didn’t it? Yet you want MORE gun-free zones where all of the mass murder-suicides happen… Either you’re insanely retarded or you’re more evil than the mass murderers are by advocating for more mass murder….
- jimpeel
  
  He needs more victims to justify his argument. He cannot accomplish that if those who would be those victims are able to defend themselves with a firearm. Live defenders don’t make the news, only dead victims make the news.
NukeWaste

Look libtard! The campus police told me that if I was legal, CARRY! I would be one more person that they could count upon to help diffuse a deadly situation.
jimpeel

Do you have fire insurance? Then you are paranoid. Do you have collision insurance? Then you are paranoid. Do you own a fire extinguisher? Then you are paranoid.

Name one — just one — instance where a lawful concealed carry licensee has gone into a school and it “end(ed) up with dead children and parents planning funerals.” Just ONE.

You are a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

Are you aware that three school shootings were stopped by common citizens with their privately owned firearms? Of course you don’t. Look up Pearl Mississippi High School, Appalachian School of Law, and Edinboro, Pennsylvania High School.

The problem is not too many firearms in a school. The problems start when there is only ONE firearm in the school.

Sigh. Why do I even spend the time?

Docs357

Another commie wanna be Disgrace

tt82

Before you get down to Texas stop here in Oklahoma. Im sure you would be welcome here.

mtmountainman

Gun and accessory manufacturers need to pull out of any State that pushes the Communist agenda.

NukeWaste

We all need to boycott Colorado and everything made there. Let the libtards sink in their own filth. Don’t let them move in to your state next.

Patriot-Research

The Disarming of America and the Democrat/Communist agenda continues…!!! This tells me that Colorado’s Citizens are NOW COMMUNIST! Just look at their voting records! It’s coming and we all know IT IS…!!!

mtmountainman

Folks in Colorado were just made easy marks for the Mexi drug cartels which are flooding into the State completely out of control from what I hear. Our Govt. just created another group of easy marks for a nut job.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLORN6B3ZNGCAJTFHWWFUUEY4Q jong

Of course the only place it will be in effect will be Denver. The rest of the state wishes it would burn and take all those that came to Colorado and ruined it to hell.

James Maxwell

Looks like Colorado has lost its freedom and been invaded by the Cali looney liberals. Wonder how
they will enforce that law based upon the freedom that the resident of Colorado have enjoyed for
year and the freedom loving citizen of that state. I know some residents up there and they will never
give up their right to protect themselve and thier family to some mindless beauractats. But this
is what happens when you elect the socialist democrat liberals to office and surrender your
freedoms to the government beauractats.

http://twitter.com/wvfanclaycounty James Hughes

Colo. Legislators have committed Treason and are Tyrannical, and are not above the Constitution and Bill of Rights, The citizens of Colorado should take up Arms against the Govt. If you are a true Patriots let the Revolution Begin. Dont be a Slave to Tyrannical Governments. Set the stage for the whole world to see that we are a Free Nation of We The People. and Under God.

jb80538

Colorado has been “Californicated”

jimpeel

Hear, hear! From someone who lives here.

Black Rain

I hope Magpul comes to Missouri but, hold your horses. Magpul may want to move to Tx, Missouri not looking that great. I not sure Texas has enough move for all the new mfg coming to the state.

opy

thank john denver for ruining that beautiful state

ebowers3

I will no longer consider Colorado as a vacation spot. I hope all tourists will boycott this State. What a stupid decision. Two magazines with 15 rounds each can be changed out in less than one second. These politicians have no common sense. If the people of Colorado want to maintain their freedoms and protect their 2nd amendment rights, they better get rid of these so called progressive Liberals.What next?

Gary

It doesnt mean a thing because We the People already have what we need to overcome what we need to overcome. Everything is what it is! Ey the politicians figure that out.

Detroitheat

I say Colorado can go straight to HELL, now lets see them try to enforce it. ( LOL DUMB ASSES)

gwinf

Guess Magpul will be leaving Colorado now. If it was my company, I would already be gone!

dankster

colorado just lost my business. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

http://profile.yahoo.com/OOKK3KBK7M2DX5OKOV7ODZ3QTA Jay

On the plus side, they can use the old Magpul facility to build something useful like solar panels or windmills and make ol’ Al-Jazeera Gore proud.

Ouray

Evil kills; criminals kill; gun-free zones facilitate killing – but hardware (guns and Magazines) doesn’t kill,; background checks don’t impact law-abiding citizens; and gun-free zones don’t protect citizens.
So, what is the fact-based reason for such legislation?

Ron

bet there will be more killing at the gun free colleges now !!!!

fliteking

OFF TOPIC: Just an FYI, have had excellent luck at getting Mini 14 mags at sportsmansguide..com had on back order and confirmed I would wait, got them in 3 weeks.

I don’t buy a lot there because I think the pricing is a bit high and they do not label the stuff made in China, but for this purpose I give them 2 thumbs up

The have tons of mags for all calibers.

Find the mag you need, buy, then confirm you’ll wait if out of stock. Worked good for us.

TPS12

A sad day for CO. law abiding citizens, you had better overwhelm the office of Governor
Hicklooper’s with calls and email’s showing your dissatisfaction so he does not sign the bill.

barbiecakes

Outlaw concealed weapon permits on college campuses. Another gun free zone. People are so safe in gun free zones. (burp)

Gary Smith

From “Understanding Firearm Ballistics” by Robert A. Riker

DRUG

-CRAZED

CRIMINALS

Before we d

elve deeper into the ballistics of self-defense, we need

to discuss a problem that h

as always existed to a small extent, but in the drug

culture of today, it is all too common. Th

at is the problem of trying to stop or

kill a person who is high on drugs.

Many of us readin

kill a person who is high on drugs.

Many of us readin

g this book have minds that think in scientific

terms. In other words, we believe that in nature there are certain actions tha

t

are followed by certain reactions. We believe in proven facts and theories

that sound logical and sensible. The sections on gyroscopic action and

N

are followed by certain reactions. We believe in proven facts and theories

that sound logical and sensible. The sections on gyroscopic action and

N

ewton’s laws are easy because they make sense. This next little section

d

efies comprehension, yet it is true.

We will begin with an incident that took place in Indiana The scene

op

We will begin with an incident that took place in Indiana The scene

op

ens in a restaurant that is busy with the dinner crowd. A robber with a

pistol approaches the cashier and demands all the money in the cash register

.

Saying the crook is high on drugs is like saying the Pope is religious

.

Apparently he was in

another world. What he would do with his handgun or

how m

any people he would kill was unknown and unpredictable. What

happened next was al

so unpredictable.

The restaurant owner was armed with a firearm that, from a

standpoint of terminal ballistics, would be considered excellent He had a

s

The restaurant owner was armed with a firearm that, from a

standpoint of terminal ballistics, would be considered excellent He had a

s

hort barreled .357 magnum revolver loaded with 125 grain jacketed hollow

point

(JHP) bullets. (A chart printed a few pages later will show an RII of

44

.4 and a ranking of no. 4. While some people will disagree with this

ranking and some later test results come out slightly different

, it is still an

excellent self-defense load.)

A normal person would not be able to withstand many hits from

such a weapon

excellent self-defense load.)

A normal person would not be able to withstand many hits from

such a weapon

, but drugs change a body until the reaction is abnormal.

When the crook was ordered to drop his weapon he continued to

threaten the life of everyone around him. He then absorbed

When the crook was ordered to drop his weapon he continued to

threaten the life of everyone around him. He then absorbed

18 hits, mostly in

the chest

, before he dropped his gun and went down. And no, that is not a

typo or

a mistake. It was reported that the restaurant owner reloaded his six

shot revolver twice. The criminal was so high with drugs that his body did

not respond to anything, either internal or external

More details of the above story would not prove helpful. But there

is no reason to believe it is anything other than the truth

shot revolver twice. The criminal was so high with drugs that his body did

not respond to anything, either internal or external

More details of the above story would not prove helpful. But there

is no reason to believe it is anything other than the truth

. Especially in light

of the following story. It is also very shocking and a real eye

-opener. Actual

names, dates and the location will be given so that if the reader finds it also

hard to believe, as many will, it can be checked for truthfulness.

This occurrence took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on August 1,

1977.

names, dates and the location will be given so that if the reader finds it also

hard to believe, as many will, it can be checked for truthfulness.

This occurrence took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on August 1,

1977.

The facts are well known and well documented A videotape made by

Officer Steve Chaney, a survivor of the incident, is used in police training

classes. It also has been written up many times in various publications. The

account can be told as a long and interesting story, but we will keep

Officer Steve Chaney, a survivor of the incident, is used in police training

classes. It also has been written up many times in various publications. The

account can be told as a long and interesting story, but we will keep

to the

points that have a relationship to terminal ballistics.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence accompanied Field Training

Officer

points that have a relationship to terminal ballistics.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence accompanied Field Training

Officer

Steve Chaney when they responded to a burglary call at an apartment

in the Broadmoor Plantation. They were confronted in a bedroom by John

James Mullery, a

in the Broadmoor Plantation. They were confronted in a bedroom by John

James Mullery, a

6 foot, 200 pound, 42 year old Caucasian with a long

criminal record that included kidnapping and assault

. He was also, at the

time, high from cocaine and PCP. At the beginning of a brief struggle,

Mullery made a grab for the Officer’s

time, high from cocaine and PCP. At the beginning of a brief struggle,

Mullery made a grab for the Officer’s

4″ barreled S & W model 64 which

was loaded with

125 grain .38 Special + P ammunition. While this is not the

most powerful cartridge around, it is

a good defensive round and generally

performs well.

A fight for the Officer’S gun ensued

performs well.

A fight for the Officer’S gun ensued

, and Officer Chaney realized

that Mullery

was going to win. He told Linda Lawrence to shoot Mullery.

She was armed

with an identical weapon, which she promptly used. The

bullet hit Mullery near the wrist and did tremendous damage as the hollow

point expanded. After he was

bullet hit Mullery near the wrist and did tremendous damage as the hollow

point expanded. After he was

hit, Mullery fired 2 shots into the wall. Officer

Chaney managed to again get control of his

gun and fired 2 shots directly

into Mullery’s chest with no noticeable effect

Mullery

into Mullery’s chest with no noticeable effect

Mullery

then turned his fury on Linda Lawrence and grabbed her

service revolver and shot her once in the middle of her chest

. She collapsed

immediately. At this point

, the struggle between the two men continued for

the two weapons. The fight was both long and hard. At one point

, Officer

Chaney fired a shot into the left side of Mullery’s abdomen from zero range.

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

Chaney fired a shot into the left side of Mullery’s abdomen from zero range.

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

. Now he was holding an empty gun. As Mullery stabbed him and beat

him in the back, Officer Chaney used a Dade speedloader to reload 6 fresh

cartridges into the S

him in the back, Officer Chaney used a Dade speedloader to reload 6 fresh

cartridges into the S

& W. He then shot Mullery again, this time in the upper

middle

part of his abdomen. After a few more seconds, he shot him again in

the top of his head. Mullery finally went down.

Over? It should have been over a long time earlier, but as Officer

Chaney backed away and sought support for his tired and wounded body,

Mullery revived and stood up. At this point he had been shot many times and

lost so much blood that he looked like a bad scene in the scariest of horror

films. And yet he was not only alive, but also ready to continue the fight to

kill Officer Chaney.

Four more

the top of his head. Mullery finally went down.

Over? It should have been over a long time earlier, but as Officer

Chaney backed away and sought support for his tired and wounded body,

Mullery revived and stood up. At this point he had been shot many times and

lost so much blood that he looked like a bad scene in the scariest of horror

films. And yet he was not only alive, but also ready to continue the fight to

kill Officer Chaney.

Four more

.38 + P hollow-points hit Mullery, two in the chest with

no noticeable effect

. Another in the abdomen also had no effect. The last

cartridge in the officer’s gun put a bullet into Mullery’s pelvis and broke his

hip. This removed a main part of his skeletal support and he went down

again. He was still not dead

cartridge in the officer’s gun put a bullet into Mullery’s pelvis and broke his

hip. This removed a main part of his skeletal support and he went down

again. He was still not dead

, just down. Mullery tried to crawl but slowly

died as the last of his blood drained from his body.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence had died almost instantly from a

bullet to the heart

died as the last of his blood drained from his body.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence had died almost instantly from a

bullet to the heart

. She was the first female officer in Louisiana to be killed

in the line of duty.

The drugs in Mullery’s body kept him going in a narcotic induced

rage. This enabled him to continue with wounds that would have eventually

killed him even if medical attention had been available. Officer Chaney fired

nine shots at him and each scored a hit

in the line of duty.

The drugs in Mullery’s body kept him going in a narcotic induced

rage. This enabled him to continue with wounds that would have eventually

killed him even if medical attention had been available. Officer Chaney fired

nine shots at him and each scored a hit

. Officer Lawrence scored a hit with

her one shot

. A review in proper order indicates strike no. 1 in the wrist, no.

2 and no. 3 in the chest, no.

4 in the left side of the abdomen at zero range,

no. 5 in the upper middle part of the abdomen, no. 6 in the top of the head

,

no. 7 and no. 8 in the chest

, no. 9 in the abdomen, and no. 10 in the pelvis

and hip.

Many experts write and talk of the need for a gun and caliber that

has enough initial cross sectional area, energy, velocity, expansion and

penetration to stop a violent person who is high from narcotics. This true

story should convince any reader that a drugged

and hip.

Many experts write and talk of the need for a gun and caliber that

has enough initial cross sectional area, energy, velocity, expansion and

penetration to stop a violent person who is high from narcotics. This true

story should convince any reader that a drugged

up person could require a lot

to put down and much more to keep down.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

to put down and much more to keep down.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

jimpeel

That was the worst post I have ever seen.
- http://twitter.com/Casmige Cas Michel Gerarrd
  
  I agree….
  
  @Gary Smith There is an “EDIT” Button-Link…Please go back over & “Fix” your posting please.

wyatt81

Disgusting. This is what happens when the leftists come in and take over a state-they turn it into another NY/CA/Chicago. The arrogant SOB’s are drunk with their power now.

foxxybey

The biggest lies on the left is about jobs, they destroy more jobs then any party. Its their plan to enslave everyone to the government plantation of all colors and races. No drilling doesn’t create jobs? Gas prices have gone up a dollar since the state (lie) of the union, more government being kind and enslaving people, LOL

gas pump junkie

One more state I won’t be visiting or hunting big game in. Don’t think I’ll ever drink another Coors beer. If the good people in Colorado can’t vote out the Liberals or challenge the law in court, then pack up and move to a red state and enjoy your Constitutional rights.

http://twitter.com/Casmige Cas Michel Gerarrd

So, Colorado will relax the laws on the sale & use of Marijuana, but they’ll Mao-Liciously ban Hi-Cap Mags.

Does anyone not see the utter insanity of this??.

Magpul?? Come to Texas, Please.

gail2012

They need to sue. These leftist communist/socialist have no legal right. We are protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These dems that voted for this bill should be facing TREASON CHARGES along with the nut case bite me bidden!

Gary Ray

If the democrats are the problem, why not do something about it like haveing a recall right now. Do a back round check on them, everybody has a skeleton in there closet.

Jim

That’s what happened when a bunch of New Yorkers and Californians moved to Colorado they brought their liberal ideas with them, they have ruined the state. I will never do any more business in Colorado again.

Gunner

Magpul can and should move to Tucson, Az…. It is a complete shame Colorodo did this. Very sad times now..

http://www.facebook.com/texashale Michael Hale

When I lived in Wyoming, I Always thought that Colorado was a bunch of idiots… They just proved it…

realfred

first the legalization of the green weed and now hand in glove with that craziness, your elected reps drop their pants in public to show really ARE Stupid!!

GDC97

The reason that high cap mags are needed. (i cut and pasted this and the posting program screwed it up)
From “Understanding Firearm Ballistics” by Robert A. Riker

DRUG

-CRAZED

CRIMINALS

Before we d

elve deeper into the ballistics of self-defense, we need

to discuss a problem that h

as always existed to a small extent, but in the drug

culture of today, it is all too common. Th

at is the problem of trying to stop or

kill a person who is high on drugs.

Many of us readin

kill a person who is high on drugs.

Many of us readin

g this book have minds that think in scientific

terms. In other words, we believe that in nature there are certain actions tha

t

are followed by certain reactions. We believe in proven facts and theories

that sound logical and sensible. The sections on gyroscopic action and

N

are followed by certain reactions. We believe in proven facts and theories

that sound logical and sensible. The sections on gyroscopic action and

N

ewton’s laws are easy because they make sense. This next little section

d

efies comprehension, yet it is true.

We will begin with an incident that took place in Indiana The scene

op

We will begin with an incident that took place in Indiana The scene

op

ens in a restaurant that is busy with the dinner crowd. A robber with a

pistol approaches the cashier and demands all the money in the cash register

.

Saying the crook is high on drugs is like saying the Pope is religious

.

Apparently he was in

another world. What he would do with his handgun or

how m

any people he would kill was unknown and unpredictable. What

happened next was al

so unpredictable.

The restaurant owner was armed with a firearm that, from a

standpoint of terminal ballistics, would be considered excellent He had a

s

The restaurant owner was armed with a firearm that, from a

standpoint of terminal ballistics, would be considered excellent He had a

s

hort barreled .357 magnum revolver loaded with 125 grain jacketed hollow

point

(JHP) bullets. (A chart printed a few pages later will show an RII of

44

.4 and a ranking of no. 4. While some people will disagree with this

ranking and some later test results come out slightly different

, it is still an

excellent self-defense load.)

A normal person would not be able to withstand many hits from

such a weapon

excellent self-defense load.)

A normal person would not be able to withstand many hits from

such a weapon

, but drugs change a body until the reaction is abnormal.

When the crook was ordered to drop his weapon he continued to

threaten the life of everyone around him. He then absorbed

When the crook was ordered to drop his weapon he continued to

threaten the life of everyone around him. He then absorbed

18 hits, mostly in

the chest

, before he dropped his gun and went down. And no, that is not a

typo or

a mistake. It was reported that the restaurant owner reloaded his six

shot revolver twice. The criminal was so high with drugs that his body did

not respond to anything, either internal or external

More details of the above story would not prove helpful. But there

is no reason to believe it is anything other than the truth

shot revolver twice. The criminal was so high with drugs that his body did

not respond to anything, either internal or external

More details of the above story would not prove helpful. But there

is no reason to believe it is anything other than the truth

. Especially in light

of the following story. It is also very shocking and a real eye

-opener. Actual

names, dates and the location will be given so that if the reader finds it also

hard to believe, as many will, it can be checked for truthfulness.

This occurrence took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on August 1,

1977.

names, dates and the location will be given so that if the reader finds it also

hard to believe, as many will, it can be checked for truthfulness.

This occurrence took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on August 1,

1977.

The facts are well known and well documented A videotape made by

Officer Steve Chaney, a survivor of the incident, is used in police training

classes. It also has been written up many times in various publications. The

account can be told as a long and interesting story, but we will keep

Officer Steve Chaney, a survivor of the incident, is used in police training

classes. It also has been written up many times in various publications. The

account can be told as a long and interesting story, but we will keep

to the

points that have a relationship to terminal ballistics.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence accompanied Field Training

Officer

points that have a relationship to terminal ballistics.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence accompanied Field Training

Officer

Steve Chaney when they responded to a burglary call at an apartment

in the Broadmoor Plantation. They were confronted in a bedroom by John

James Mullery, a

in the Broadmoor Plantation. They were confronted in a bedroom by John

James Mullery, a

6 foot, 200 pound, 42 year old Caucasian with a long

criminal record that included kidnapping and assault

. He was also, at the

time, high from cocaine and PCP. At the beginning of a brief struggle,

Mullery made a grab for the Officer’s

time, high from cocaine and PCP. At the beginning of a brief struggle,

Mullery made a grab for the Officer’s

4″ barreled S & W model 64 which

was loaded with

125 grain .38 Special + P ammunition. While this is not the

most powerful cartridge around, it is

a good defensive round and generally

performs well.

A fight for the Officer’S gun ensued

performs well.

A fight for the Officer’S gun ensued

, and Officer Chaney realized

that Mullery

was going to win. He told Linda Lawrence to shoot Mullery.

She was armed

with an identical weapon, which she promptly used. The

bullet hit Mullery near the wrist and did tremendous damage as the hollow

point expanded. After he was

bullet hit Mullery near the wrist and did tremendous damage as the hollow

point expanded. After he was

hit, Mullery fired 2 shots into the wall. Officer

Chaney managed to again get control of his

gun and fired 2 shots directly

into Mullery’s chest with no noticeable effect

Mullery

into Mullery’s chest with no noticeable effect

Mullery

then turned his fury on Linda Lawrence and grabbed her

service revolver and shot her once in the middle of her chest

. She collapsed

immediately. At this point

, the struggle between the two men continued for

the two weapons. The fight was both long and hard. At one point

, Officer

Chaney fired a shot into the left side of Mullery’s abdomen from zero range.

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

Chaney fired a shot into the left side of Mullery’s abdomen from zero range.

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

There was no effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting. Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him

. Now he was holding an empty gun. As Mullery stabbed him and beat

him in the back, Officer Chaney used a Dade speedloader to reload 6 fresh

cartridges into the S

him in the back, Officer Chaney used a Dade speedloader to reload 6 fresh

cartridges into the S

& W. He then shot Mullery again, this time in the upper

middle

part of his abdomen. After a few more seconds, he shot him again in

the top of his head. Mullery finally went down.

Over? It should have been over a long time earlier, but as Officer

Chaney backed away and sought support for his tired and wounded body,

Mullery revived and stood up. At this point he had been shot many times and

lost so much blood that he looked like a bad scene in the scariest of horror

films. And yet he was not only alive, but also ready to continue the fight to

kill Officer Chaney.

Four more

the top of his head. Mullery finally went down.

Over? It should have been over a long time earlier, but as Officer

Chaney backed away and sought support for his tired and wounded body,

Mullery revived and stood up. At this point he had been shot many times and

lost so much blood that he looked like a bad scene in the scariest of horror

films. And yet he was not only alive, but also ready to continue the fight to

kill Officer Chaney.

Four more

.38 + P hollow-points hit Mullery, two in the chest with

no noticeable effect

. Another in the abdomen also had no effect. The last

cartridge in the officer’s gun put a bullet into Mullery’s pelvis and broke his

hip. This removed a main part of his skeletal support and he went down

again. He was still not dead

cartridge in the officer’s gun put a bullet into Mullery’s pelvis and broke his

hip. This removed a main part of his skeletal support and he went down

again. He was still not dead

, just down. Mullery tried to crawl but slowly

died as the last of his blood drained from his body.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence had died almost instantly from a

bullet to the heart

died as the last of his blood drained from his body.

Rookie Officer Linda Lawrence had died almost instantly from a

bullet to the heart

. She was the first female officer in Louisiana to be killed

in the line of duty.

The drugs in Mullery’s body kept him going in a narcotic induced

rage. This enabled him to continue with wounds that would have eventually

killed him even if medical attention had been available. Officer Chaney fired

nine shots at him and each scored a hit

in the line of duty.

The drugs in Mullery’s body kept him going in a narcotic induced

rage. This enabled him to continue with wounds that would have eventually

killed him even if medical attention had been available. Officer Chaney fired

nine shots at him and each scored a hit

. Officer Lawrence scored a hit with

her one shot

. A review in proper order indicates strike no. 1 in the wrist, no.

2 and no. 3 in the chest, no.

4 in the left side of the abdomen at zero range,

no. 5 in the upper middle part of the abdomen, no. 6 in the top of the head

,

no. 7 and no. 8 in the chest

, no. 9 in the abdomen, and no. 10 in the pelvis

and hip.

Many experts write and talk of the need for a gun and caliber that

has enough initial cross sectional area, energy, velocity, expansion and

penetration to stop a violent person who is high from narcotics. This true

story should convince any reader that a drugged

and hip.

Many experts write and talk of the need for a gun and caliber that

has enough initial cross sectional area, energy, velocity, expansion and

penetration to stop a violent person who is high from narcotics. This true

story should convince any reader that a drugged

up person could require a lot

to put down and much more to keep down.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

to put down and much more to keep down.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

And the lessons that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

GDC97

The reason that high cap mags are needed. (i cut and pasted this and the posting program screwed it up)

From “Understanding
Firearm Ballistics” by Robert A. Riker

DRUG-CRAZED CRIMINALS

Before we delve deeper into the ballistics of self-defense, we need

to discuss a
problem that has always existed to a small extent, but
in the drug

culture of
today, it is all too common. That is the problem of trying to stop or

kill a person
who is high on drugs.

Many of us
reading this book have
minds that think in scientific

terms. In other
words, we believe that in nature there are certain actions that

are followed by
certain reactions. We believe in proven facts and theories

that sound
logical and sensible. The sections on gyroscopic action and

Newton’s laws are easy because they make sense. This next little section

defies comprehension, yet it is true.

We will begin
with an incident that took place in Indiana The scene

opens in a restaurant that is busy with the dinner crowd. A robber with a

pistol
approaches the cashier and demands all the money in the cash register.

Saying the
crook is high on drugs is like saying the Pope is religious.

Apparently he
was in another world. What
he would do with his handgun or

how many people he would kill was unknown and unpredictable. What

happened next
was also unpredictable.

The restaurant
owner was armed with a firearm that, from a

standpoint of
terminal ballistics, would be considered excellent He had a

short barreled .357 magnum revolver
loaded with 125 grain jacketed hollow

point (JHP) bullets.
(A chart printed a few pages later will show an RII of

44.4 and a
ranking of no. 4. While some people will disagree with this

ranking and
some later test results come out slightly different, it is still an

excellent
self-defense load.)

A normal person
would not be able to withstand many hits from

such a weapon, but drugs change a body until the reaction is
abnormal.

When the crook
was ordered to drop his weapon he continued to

threaten the
life of everyone around him. He then absorbed 18 hits,
mostly in

the chest, before he dropped his gun and went
down. And no, that is not a

typo or a mistake. It was reported that the restaurant owner reloaded his six

shot revolver
twice. The criminal was so high with drugs that his body did

not respond to
anything, either internal or external

More details of
the above story would not prove helpful. But there

is no reason to
believe it is anything other than the truth. Especially
in light

of the
following story. It is also very shocking and a real eye-opener. Actual

names, dates
and the location will be given so that if the reader finds it also

hard to
believe, as many will, it can be checked for truthfulness.

This occurrence
took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on August 1,

1977. The facts are well known and well
documented A videotape made by

Officer Steve
Chaney, a survivor of the incident, is used in police training

classes. It
also has been written up many times in various publications. The

account can be
told as a long and interesting story, but we will keep to the

points that
have a relationship to terminal ballistics.

Rookie Officer
Linda Lawrence accompanied Field Training

Officer Steve Chaney when they responded to a burglary call at an
apartment

in the
Broadmoor Plantation. They were confronted in a bedroom by John

James Mullery,
a 6 foot, 200 pound,
42 year old Caucasian with a long

criminal record
that included kidnapping and assault. He was also,
at the

time, high from
cocaine and PCP. At the beginning of a brief struggle,

Mullery made a
grab for the Officer’s 4″
barreled S & W model 64 which

was loaded with
125 grain .38 Special
+ P ammunition. While this is not the

most powerful
cartridge around, it is a good
defensive round and generally

performs well.

A fight for the
Officer’S gun ensued, and Officer Chaney realized

that Mullery was going to win. He told Linda Lawrence to shoot Mullery.

She was armed with an identical
weapon, which she promptly used. The

bullet hit
Mullery near the wrist and did tremendous damage as the hollow

point expanded.
After he was hit, Mullery fired 2
shots into the wall. Officer

Chaney managed
to again get control of his gun
and fired 2 shots directly

into Mullery’s
chest with no noticeable effect

Mullery then turned his fury on Linda Lawrence and grabbed her

service
revolver and shot her once in the middle of her chest. She collapsed

immediately. At
this point, the struggle between the two men
continued for

the two
weapons. The fight was both long and hard. At one point, Officer

Chaney fired a
shot into the left side of Mullery’s abdomen from zero range.

There was no
effect and the fight continued. (At this point, if you have been

counting.
Mullery had been hit 4 times with 3 in vital areas.)

The fight for
life went on. Chaney had fired a number of rounds

into the floor
during the struggle to prevent Mullery from firing them into

him. Now he was holding an empty gun. As Mullery stabbed him and beat

him in the
back, Officer Chaney used a Dade speedloader to reload 6 fresh

cartridges into
the S & W. He then shot Mullery again, this time in the upper

middle part of his abdomen. After a few more seconds, he shot him again in

the top of his
head. Mullery finally went down.

Over? It should
have been over a long time earlier, but as Officer

Chaney backed
away and sought support for his tired and wounded body,

Mullery revived
and stood up. At this point he had been shot many times and

lost so much
blood that he looked like a bad scene in the scariest of horror

films. And yet
he was not only alive, but also ready to continue the fight to

kill Officer
Chaney.

Four more .38 + P
hollow-points hit Mullery, two in the chest with

no noticeable
effect. Another in the abdomen also had no
effect. The last

cartridge in
the officer’s gun put a bullet into Mullery’s pelvis and broke his

hip. This
removed a main part of his skeletal support and he went down

again. He was
still not dead, just down. Mullery tried to crawl but
slowly

died as the
last of his blood drained from his body.

Rookie Officer
Linda Lawrence had died almost instantly from a

bullet to the
heart. She was the first female officer in
Louisiana to be killed

in the line of
duty.

The drugs in
Mullery’s body kept him going in a narcotic induced

rage. This
enabled him to continue with wounds that would have eventually

killed him even
if medical attention had been available. Officer Chaney fired

nine shots at
him and each scored a hit. Officer Lawrence scored a hit with

her one shot. A review in proper order indicates strike no. 1 in the wrist, no.

2 and no. 3 in
the chest, no. 4 in the
left side of the abdomen at zero range,

no. 5 in the
upper middle part of the abdomen, no. 6 in the top of the head,

no. 7 and no. 8
in the chest, no. 9 in the abdomen, and no. 10 in the
pelvis

and hip.

Many experts
write and talk of the need for a gun and caliber that

has enough
initial cross sectional area, energy, velocity, expansion and

penetration to
stop a violent person who is high from narcotics. This true

story should
convince any reader that a drugged up person
could require a lot

to put down and
much more to keep down.

And the lessons
that can be learned from Officer Lawrence’s and

Officer
Chaney’s nightmare go far beyond ballistics.

John The Baptist

Thats why I have a 12Ga. shotgun loaded with slugs, and if I have to use it I will aim to the head. End of story.( just like walking dead,aim for the head).

Berzrkr50

I suppose it’s because everybody knows that Commiefornia is crazy, even by your average lunatic standards, but why is it I hear virtually nothing where Commiefornia’s gun rights are concerned. The laundry list of rights to be taken from us boggles the mind! And if this continues all we’ll be left with is rubber-band guns… MAYBE. If you live in this state it’s imperative that you start writing to your reps in Sacramento and let them know how you feel about about their gun grabbing proposals. If you choose to sit and do nothing then prepare to turn them in. Or find a good state to move to (Wyoming or Arizona). Your choice…

http://www.facebook.com/piwakyt Tamara Scott

“And it came to pass, that the exodus out of the east (NY) and the craggy mountains (CO) did occur, and the people could be heard to say, “Adios Mo Fo’s, we’re going to where the air is free!”

KDS

These laws are stupid. The laws they are making are illegal in the first place. Why should any of us take them seriously. They are obstructing justice just by violating there oaths to uphold the constitution. Then coming up with ridiculous punishments if you don’t comply. Especially when no one has violated any law except them. Obama doesn’t care about the kids in Connecticut, he is looking to overthrow the United States of America. That being said by me, can easily be said by Legislators to Obama’s face.

http://twitter.com/LDommel Linda Dommel

Are Democrats that good of a shot? or just to STUPID 2 realize you need every shot when your life is on the line!

Florida

Constitutional attorney Stewart Rhodes will explain The Second Amendment for you.

…”The whole point of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military capacity of the American people – to preserve the ability of the people, who are the militia, to provide for their own security as individuals, as neighborhoods, towns, counties, and states, during any emergency, man-made or natural; to preserve the military capacity of the American people to resist tyranny and violations of their rights by oath breakers within government; and to preserve the military capacity of the people to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, including those oath breaking domestic enemies within government. It is not about hunting, and at its core, the Second Amendment is not really even about self-defense against private criminals. It is about self-defense against public criminals – against tyrants, usurpers, and foreign invaders.

. Thus, any attempt to ban their possession, sale, purchase, or transfer, is an attempt by Tyrants to disarm the American people.” MOLON LABE

JOHN PAUL JONES

co. makes pot legal and out law guns, I think these ass clowns have smoked to much of there own weed!
BOYCOTT COLORADO!

EBlake

Well I hope the citizens of Colorado stand up and say H E L L – N O!!

http://www.facebook.com/william.weeks.92351 William Weeks

it seems we have more than a few sleaze bags to vote out next term

http://www.facebook.com/william.weeks.92351 William Weeks

They wants to ban everything, he trying to divide us and ban each type of gun
separately

you are seeing the rise of fascism in the United States Government

First they came for the semi auto rifles

and I didn’t speak out because I didn’t own semi auto rifle.

Then they came for the semi auto pistols

and I didn’t speak out because I didn’t own a auto pistols

Then they came for the hunting rifles and shotguns

and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a hunter

Then they came for me,

and there was no one left to speak for me.

Now I am a slave of the Government

http://www.facebook.com/william.weeks.92351 William Weeks

Colorado I am sorry to inform you but you now reside in a fascist State

The second amendment was put into the constitution to protect the population form just this type of tyranny from our own Government

First they came for the semi auto rifles

and I didn’t speak out because I didn’t own semi auto rifle.

Then they came for the semi auto pistols

and I didn’t speak out because I didn’t own a auto pistols

Then they came for the hunting rifles and shotguns

and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a hunter

Then they came for me,

and there was no one left to speak for me.

…………..Now I am a slave of the Government

http://www.facebook.com/vettfixer Chet Radven

Well Colorado will have 700 new unemployed when Magpul pulls out of the state. You asked for it and you will get it. Congradulations!

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