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Biden pitches gun control as part of larger effort to lessen ‘coarsity of American culture’

Posted on: January 17th, 2013

Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that the administration will continue to prioritize dealing with gun violence, casting it as an issue not just of protecting the public from mass shootings like Newtown, but of recasting American culture in a way that would affect everything down to the economy.

Addressing the United States Conference of Mayors at their winter meeting here, Biden focused on the gun recommendations that he had provided to President Barack Obama earlier this week, which the president formally recommended to Congress on Wednesday.

“I know you’ve come to talk about a broad range of very important issues that you’re facing in your cities and towns … but I didn’t come here to talk about any of those important subjects today because as important as they all are, today we have a more urgent and immediate call, and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in America,” Biden said.

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  • Winston

    ‘coarsity of American culture’ must start in the White House and Congress. Lead by example.

    • antiliberalcryptonite

      They can not lead, they are only “present”.

      • sheinLV

        Just barely present

        • Carl

          And, sometimes not at all.

    • henryknox

      Progressives cannot get over the fact that someone may think differently than them. They despise diversity. If everyone doesn’t agree with them then they think that there must be wrong with everyone else. The actual truth is, as everyone has suspected, Progressivism is a mental disease.

  • http://twitter.com/DustyFae StarDust Dolittle

    That is against the law, no one can change a nations culture, what is wrong with these people, that is totally against the law. And l am getting sick off these people making us into a muslim islamic culture.

    • sheinLV

      Why would they even want to change our culture?

      • swaff

        What makes us different than most cultures? Our freedom, our independence, our individuality. our bill of rights all provided to us by our Constitution through our founding fathers that risk everything and placed it all on the foundation of scripture . All these things liberal/socialist typically Godless people hate.This is why progressive Democrats want us all to depend on the all mighty government and not on ourselves or on God.

    • 2War Abn Vet

      Stardust: You’ll have to admit the Libs have done a pretty good job of changing our culture. What with the the moral decline, the public corruption, the lack of personal responsibility, the decline of the family unit, the general debasement of morality, and the ”anything goes” promiscuity that they preach.

      • Carl

        Amen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.lofton.56 Jerry Lofton

    “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

    ~Adolph Hitler, 1935,

    on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
    Does Biden and most of the Democrats in Congress want their name along with Obama’s on a simular document for America

    • henryknox

      Progressives are the same no matter what decade we are talking about. Hitler learned a lot from Woodrow Wilson. US Progressives of the 30′s thought that Hitler had devised the perfect society. One of Roosevelt’s cabinet members visited the Soviet Union and said that he had seen utopia.

    • swaff

      yep!

    • RG

      If they get a gun ban passed, I believe it will be the beginning of the next civil war. And we better get everything together going into this one..I’m from the south and I don’t want to lose again…LOL…

      • http://www.facebook.com/kim.ciara.1 Kim Ciara

        Not “Civil War”, but rather, “Revolution.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/dexter.liu.942 Dexter Liu

    these people are utterly contemptable propagandists and traitors period!

  • 2War Abn Vet

    It’s “part of larger effort” alright; an effort to place government complete control of our lives.

  • $3846549

    Biden, the old letch, often seen slobbering over women and girls and picking at their sleeves, using foul language caught on mike and he is going to lecture about the coarse culture? This viperous administation has no shame!

    • Guest

      You have to be human to know shame.

  • Buck

    As shown by the recent practice Senate swearing in , it is quit obvious that the coarsest thing in American culture is Joe Biden , the White House white trash . IMPEACHMENT NOW !!!

  • AmericanWarrior

    How much coarser can the wh be to have an illegal arabian office who tramples on the Constitution every chance he gets and kisses ass with our enemies? Sounds to me that the clean up needs to start in dc!

    Semper Fidels

    • henryknox

      I heard on the news that Obama’s Libya revolution has now caused several more Al Qaida uprisings in Africa. There are a lot of weapons now in the hands of Al Qaida. We have suspected that the murders of the Ambasador in Libya was because he was there to get back the weapons that they had gotten from the US and Al Qaida didn’t think it was a good idea to give them back.

  • Mike_Sr

    Want to reduce “Coarseness” In America get Biden out of DC!

  • zeprin

    Dear joe
    An armed society is a polite society.

    • Guest

      As well, “Dear joe, armed you are my equal. Unarmed you are nothing.”

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    He really is that stupid…..

    AND…. since he keeps getting re-elected, the BEST delaware has to offer.

    Is it time to boot that piece of crap state out of the union?

    • pointman 49

      Hey ‘Crusty’ I would like to know where he got such a word as “coarsity” ???~Sounds like he has been hanging around to many of those ‘Chicagoans’~!!!!!

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        He was listening to a speech one day about the problems in Americas inner city ghettos.

        The speaker said; “Americas core cities” and the dumbass thought he said coarsities….

        Maybe I could be wrong, but we both know he stole it.

  • TXLady706 TXLady706

    this is long but worth the read:

    Second Amendment in context:

    ***”The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil
    interference. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When
    firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.” – George Washington in
    address to the 2nd session of the United States Congress.

    ***“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the
    peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” (George Washington)

    ***”The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most
    governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the
    narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the
    right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext
    whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of
    destruction.” Henry St. George Tucker, in Blackstone’s 1768 “Commentaries on
    the Laws of England.”, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court & U.S. Dist.
    Court of Virginia

    ***”Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are
    neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse
    for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
    than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
    confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare
    Beccaria

    Those who argue that the Second Amendment was written just for militias are
    completely blown out of the water by the following quote from Thomas Jefferson.

    “The strongest reason for “PEOPLE” (My emphasis) to retain the right to
    keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
    in government.” – Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed.,
    1950)

    James Madison is credited with the writing of the “Bill of Rights” and was
    pretty clear about the meaning on the Second Amendment.

    “The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans
    possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are
    afraid to trust the “PEOPLE” (My emphasis) with arms.”

    Here are a few others who help define the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
    It becomes very clear upon the examination of the meanings attached to the
    Second Amendment by our Founding Fathers that the original intent of the Second
    Amendment is being attacked in order to eventually disarm the American people.

    ***”I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
    few public officials.”

    George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the
    Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

    ***”Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before
    them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be
    occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the
    injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in
    their right to keep and bear their private arms.”

    – Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal
    Constitution

    ***”The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they
    be properly armed.”

    – Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

    ***”That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize
    Congress to INFRINGE (MY BOLD) the just liberty of the press or the rights of
    conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable
    citizens from keeping their own arms … ”

    – Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth
    of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

    ***”Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they
    are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot
    enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are
    armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can
    be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the
    command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be
    just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will
    instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which
    appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

    –Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal
    Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    ***”No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

    – Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers,
    334,[C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950]

    ***” … to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way
    to enslave them.”

    – George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380

    ***”The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the
    phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only
    guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by
    the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those
    persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty,
    and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon…. [I]f the right
    were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated
    altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant
    to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people,
    from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear
    arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But
    this enables the government to have a well-regulated militia; for to bear arms
    implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and
    use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use;
    in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms,
    observing in so doing the laws of public order.”

    – Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition
    [1898]

    PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE NEXT QUOTE!

    ***”Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
    we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power
    to disarm the militia. Their “SWORDS, AND EVERY OTHER TERRIBLE IMPLEMENT OF THE
    SOLDIER”, (MY BOLD) are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power
    of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments,
    but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the
    people.”

    –Tenche Coxe, an American political economist and a delegate for Pennsylvania
    to the Continental Congress, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    Then there are politicians who insist in taking our Constitution out of context
    of time and original meaning. Once again, James Madison warned us against this.

    “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have
    perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted,
    bastardized form of illegitimate government.”

    Second Amendment:

    “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the
    right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms, shall not be INFRINDGED.”

    Arms, in the context and time when our Constitution was written meant the usual
    arms carried by militia members, everyday citizens or light infantry in the
    Continental Army. Many of these arms were supplied by their owners for militia
    duty and were personal weapons initially used for hunting or home defense. They
    came in all types and calibers; from a 30 cal. squirrel rifle to a 75 cal.
    smooth bore musket, pistols and shotguns of all types, calibers and gauges.
    They also included a huge variety of other arms including: knives of every
    conceivable shape and size, bayonets and swords. Many early citizens also
    carried tomahawks.

    Attempts to control the type and or caliber of arms Americans’ can possess are
    absolutely against The Constitution and the Second Amendment as it was written
    and intended. By the supreme law of the land (The Constitution), an American
    citizen should be able to keep and bear any weapon now used individually by our
    light infantry soldiers.

    Larger weapons such as cannon and mortars that could not be carried by an
    individual soldier or required more than one person to operate were considered
    to be “ordinance” and were not defined as “arms”.

    Words have meanings! If those meanings are bastardized all becomes chaos.

    “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have
    perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted,
    bastardized form of illegitimate government.” James Madison

    Definition of to KEEP: to hold or retain in one’s possession; hold as one’s
    own.

    Definition of to BEAR: to carry, transmit, transport, have a characteristic of
    and exhibit.

    Definition of INFRINGE: to “encroach” upon in a way that violates law or the
    rights of another.

    THIS IS THE WORD MOST FORGETEN……INFRINGE!!!!! Read the meaning!!!

    Definition of INFRINGE/ENCROACH…….. 1: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth
    into the possessions or rights of another. 2: to advance beyond the usual or
    proper limits

    Why is this so hard to understand? The meanings of the words in the Second
    Amendment have not changed since the amendment was ratified.

    I am not aware of the Second Amendment being repealed or amended.

    In reference to arms control by the states; the Fourteenth Amendment Section
    .1. is crystal clear.

    Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to
    the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
    wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; (My emphasis)
    nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Many in politics from the legislative, administrative branches and or judges
    cite “precedent” as a justification for the violations of our rights as
    guaranteed in The Constitution of These United States of America. Precedent
    only describes what has been done and gotten away with, not if it was done in
    compliance with the supreme law of the land or in accordance with the oath of
    office to uphold The Constitution.

  • gerf

    I don’t understand , if they don’t like anything about our great country why don’t they just leave !

    • Patriot46

      Excellent question.

  • pointman 49

    “Coarsity”???? In what dictionary ‘Joe’ is that word found??`And YOU are just one heart beat from being the President of the U.S.? God Help Us, Please.

    • James Crawford

      We can only wish…

  • Patriot46

    Forget ‘Coarsity’! Only Joe could come up with that as a word. Just keep working hard to ‘transform’ the second amendment. Meanwhile I will keep ‘clinging’ to ‘infringe’.

  • bayman61

    What epidemic? There are more people killed by hammers and clubs that firearms. But they do not want to talk about that. It does not help their agenda. Obama has just made his dream come true. He has always been against people owning guns. He said that even before he became a Senator. He just waited for the right opportunity to come along. Sadly it was the death of some young children that he took advantage of. How come none of you see that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/leprecaun14456 Robert Myles

      Oh I see it quite well and I would not put it past our shadow government to have aided in creating the setting for just such a tragic event to occur. They needed something that would be though so horrendous that all must see the ‘evil’ of gun’s. they totally ovrlook the Evil of man

  • rhino

    Who is Biden to preach about a damned thing?

    • Guest

      The Devil’s Disciple.

  • ride2live

    THIS guy is lecturing Americans about “courseness”? Here’s creepy Uncle Joe slobbering all over a biker chick: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/joe-biden-and-the-biker-chick/

  • http://myconservativeperspective.wordpress.com/ Chuck Fowler

    Hey, Joe, if you really want to lesson the coarseness of American culture, start with your union buddy thugs who talk about taking people out with whom they disagree, with your fellow Democrats who so often forget to “keep it civil,” like your boss Obumbles calls for, and who call people Hitler and terrorists and racist at the drop of a hat just because they have a different point of view, and end with your limo liberal contributors in Hollyweird who make millions off of guts and guns movies, the video gamers who make “killing” ever more realistic and gangsta rappers who advocate violence, especially toward women.

    You might also work on cleaning up your own act, too.

  • Zoomie72

    Robert A. Heinlein, a Science Fiction author was VERY pro-gun. He believed everyone should carry a weapon at all times, partly because “an armed society is a polite society.” So, he and Mr. Biden have slightly different opinions on what would reduce the “coarsity of American culture.” I would believe Mr Heinlein much sooner than I would Mr. Biden.

  • James Crawford

    Right. Maybe we should pick the sand out of America’s gullet…YOU, Joe. Coarsity, indeed…jackass again inserts foot in mouth, insists it’s a big f-ing deal. He needs a one-way back to Delaware.

  • Guest

    Coming from Biden, he of the “Big f*ing deal” comment, and the truth that his big, coarse mouth is usually full of his foot (when the former is not wrapped around something hard and round in the English language), that’s a big laugh.
    This guys example of leadership starts with his nose up against his leaders bum and snorting “forward!”. Simple fact is, I’ve never, EVER, considered using my guns for violent purposes. Until these two came along and have done their best to convince me that as a law-abiding citizen of long standing, maybe I shouldn’t be.
    America will be well rid of these miserable excuses of what is worst in the field of politics. Anyone who would use the tragedy of dead children, made so by a nut-case, are less than civilized- they’re opportunistic barbarians. I view them more and more as nothing but the American versions of the Osama bin Laden or the Blind Sheikh’s followers, shouting “Death to America!” Little do THEY know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.tilley2 Chuck Tilley

    Biden calls it gun control .Our Founding Fathers calls it gun confiscation. That is why they put the 2nd Amendment in the Consitution under the Bill of Rights. These rights can not be infriged by the Government.

  • fliteking

    ” . . . as part of larger effort to lessen ‘coarsity of American culture’”

    Joe is a moron.

    Perhaps his “Coarsity Efforts” would be better served is he stopped supporting abortion, nob-gobblers, the destruction of the American Family and the socialist agenda. Idiot.

  • “NUFFSAID”

    Does this man think he is not part of the coarsity of the American Public. He is the poster boy of coarsity. “UNBEILABLE”. Such an ass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    “NUFFSAID”

  • whynot

    Biden…what a human joke! Somebody fertilized an olive with expired sperm from brain dead doner and came up with Biden……

  • Dino

    Obama is a FRAUD USURPER validated by lagitimate Law enforcement as well as CIA Forensic Document examiners through General Paul Valley….His BC’s are Fraudualant, His selective Service Registrations is Fraudulant and his SS is Fraudulant issued to someone out of Conneticuit to someone who is long since been dead! His father is a Loyal British subject therefore under Article 2 he does not quallify and is not legally President….Still to this day refuses to validate anything or release anything.

    Because Congress the Sensate allowed a Fraud to USURP the office of President they have NULLIFIED their power and authority as well…Constitution is clear:

    As long as there is a FRAUD USURPING the office of President Congress and the Senate shall make and pass no laws! Hence all the laws bills admendments executive orders mandates Treaties its all NULL and VOID infact all that has been done behind the backs of the American people since the inception of the Federal Reserve to layour these traitors foundation for their NWO Agenda to commit mass geonicide and enslave the planet is also all NULL and VOID!!!

    Constitution also states that Every thing Congress and the Senate Does Must be in Harmony with the Constitution or it is all null and void from the very beginning AND it also states that even if Obama were legitimate(and he is not) he still does not have the power or authority to USURP this Nations Sovereignty, the Constitution or the Bill of Rights………

    Weather they like it or not it is …THE LAW OF THIS LAND!
    FOR IT LAYS OUT THE PARAMETERS UNDER WHICH OUR GOVERNMENT OPERATES AND TELLS THEM SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO!!!!!!!!! tHEY HAVE ALL COMITTED TREASON AND NEED TO ANSWERE TO THE LAW FOR IT…NOT ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO JUST UP AND WALK AWAY!!

    iT IS not A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT AS THE COMMUNISTS WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE

  • Matt

    I know this sounds pretty drastic, but it would solve the big problem we have. If all the secret service personal protecting Obama Bin Laden were to wipe him out they would be heroes like Seal Team Six. Problem solved. Biden would run for the hills and a lot of those suck ups of Obama would hit the road too. Oh I know, that’s not nice, just a thought.

 

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